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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 20:19:27 GMT
One thing that bothered me during the season is the excessive use of Relief Pitchers that are eligible as SP as well. Having 5 RP that qualify as SP while also having 5 RP feels like circumventing the 5 SP/5 RP setup that the league was looking for. It's not a strategy that everyone can attempt because there aren't enough SP-eligible relievers for everyone, and it gives the teams that have more of them better chances of winning Saves and Holds at little cost (only roster spots taken up). I understand that they could blow up and ruin ratios but traditionally on average a mid-tier RP has better ratios than a mid-tier SP so it helps a bit with ratios as well. It also allows a team to field no starters if they want (min innings is only 14 so 10 relievers can typically hit that in a week) which I feel circumvents the spirit of 5 SP/5 RP. These are only the reasons i could come up with off the top of my head right now, but I believe there are others as well.
With the above said, I'm not sure what avenues we have through Yahoo to change this, as their settings are more limited than the other sites I play on (mostly fantrax). We would consider upping the minimum innings per week, which would keep the 10 RP lineup from working as they couldn't make minimums, but doesn't affect the other issues. I don't think Ted/Russ want a solution that has to be enforced by commissioner. I'd like to get some discussion regarding:
1. Is this only an issue to me, or does it bother others? 2. If it is an issue, any suggestions on what we can do about it?
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 26, 2019 20:36:26 GMT
Options available (via yahoo - not via a commish watching daily line ups or anything that would be too hard to enforce) would be to increase the number of innings minimum (however that doesn’t effect the hold/save from a RP with SP eligibility) or eliminating the 5 SP/5RP requirement and making like 4SP and 4RP with two P slots that can be used by any pitcher regardless of roll. This will still allow for some to hold those dual qualifying openers that get the occasional hold/save but also even the field a bit by allowing for someone to add more RP setup men to offset this. We could also eliminate the designation altogether for Pitchers and just make it 10 pitchers but that leads to teams using all RP and abuse that way. Winning holds/saves/era/whip and getting a fair share of k’s and wins with no sp ever used. Personally I don’t mind the fact that players use RP in the DP slot to get a few extra saves/holds. It makes the RP a bit more valuable than they normally would be. We have garbage available on free agency, making a Ryne Stanek rostersble over a crappy teams 4th outfielder or a mid 4 era pitcher doesn’t bother me. It actually makes it more enjoyable to find that RP that you normally wouldn’t follow and hope he gets some openers so you can use him. But that’s just me.
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Post by russmaine on Sept 26, 2019 22:20:22 GMT
My 2 cents is I'm OK with the way it is now. To use my team for example, I used Liam Hendricks and Carlos Martinez, (both SP/RP eligible), in my starting lineup. They got many saves for me from the SP position. They were starters last season and their respective teams transitioned them to relievers. Next season they both lose their SP eligibility unless they go back to the starting rotation so that option now goes away for me next season unless I find another one, (before someone else does). I think very few pitchers keep both SP/RP status from season to season. I also believe if we are Fantasy Managers, we should be able to manage ours teams with as much flexibility as MLB managers as the fantasy league allows.
I also am not a fan of streaming players. To me, that's not managing a Dynasty League Team. That being said, I have done it for short periods when a player of mine hits the DL and opens up a roster spot for a few days. Unfortunately it has burned me more times than it has helped me.
Some MLB teams are now using "Openers". That to me is almost a wasted player fantasy wise. Technically he's a SP but his "Ks" will be limited, and he essentially has no chance for a Win, Save, or a Hold, unless his MLB team also uses him as a RP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 22:31:12 GMT
I would be for a higher IP`s limit, with five starting pitcher spots, 35 innings pitched would not be a problem and would also eliminate the issue of have ten RP on one team, thus spreading the wealth around a little bit...just my two cents
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 26, 2019 22:50:14 GMT
Yes, the current limit is pretty useless. I would have to look back and see if I can determine what our lows were for this past year and how they were achieved. I’ll take a look tomorrow and post the results here.
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 26, 2019 23:11:20 GMT
I see a 33.2 IP from Frogs in week 5, although it was not like he only used RP. He had several that didn’t get stats but they were decent name players that were hurt and he wouldn’t want to have dumped them just for reaching a limit. That said he got zero points from his pitching in the 9-2 loss to Raging Llamas, so even if he got the 0 from the pitching for not reaching the minimum it wouldn’t have changed anything . There were two teams that only managed low 40’s for inning in week 2. Including Bryce who had 41. If he only had one start from Verlander instead of his two, he too wouldn’t have hit 35 for the week and would have lost 3 points he earned from his pitchers that week, or been forced to drop someone to stream a pitcher unnecessarily. I can’t tell whether or not he had used all of his adds for the week or not. Anyway, not sure how well this change would work given my quick glances at matchups through week 5. About to eat dinner so not going to look further tonight.
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Post by Bryce on Sept 27, 2019 0:56:36 GMT
It doesn't bother me... In general for H2H Category leagues like this one, I like there to be as much roster flexibility as possible to allow for different strategies. There are standard Roto leagues that are meant to encourage balance because you cannot really tank a category and only get 1 or 2 points in it and expect to consistently compete for a title. The one strategy that you bring up is if you want to tank W's and K's at the expense of getting more Holds and Saves you can try. The strategy would be that there are limited amounts of SP eligible guys that get Holds and Saves that usually are not identifiable until the season gets going and if you roster a bunch of them it helps but it is coming at the expense of W's and K's and having something else on your roster. Like a prospect with a high upside that doesn't have regular playing time yet that could be on your roster for 10 years, because these RPs that were SPs last year are usually only like that for one year at a time. Ultimately the best strategy is to have the best players playing well as that takes care of just about all of it, but sometimes when you are hit with injuries, slumps, etc... it's nice to be able to try something else out to not lose ground. Streaming is another strategy option to help as a band-aid if needed or to help match up against a particular opponent... All that said, I am not opposed to increasing the IP limit to around 30 to make sure that a few SPs are needed weekly, or lowering the weekly adds to 5 so that you cannot add a SP every day, but I would not want to do much more than that. Again, not deal breakers for me either way as we all will have to adjust to what happens but just want my thoughts in here too. Thanks guys
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 1:43:20 GMT
i think if you want to give up a chance at wins to win holds or saves that should be an option. i dont see anything unfair about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 1:43:47 GMT
innings limit would be the best way to bandaid and test
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Post by russmaine on Sept 27, 2019 8:36:30 GMT
I'm fine with increasing the IP limit. We'll just have to decide on a realistic number.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 6:20:35 GMT
There's too many words
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