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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 17:18:42 GMT
This currently only applies to Garret Crochet as far as I know, but others could also appear during 2021.
Since we aren't doing a rookie draft, how are we handling players who were drafted in 2020 but reach the bigs in 2020/2021? The rules cover they need to be dropped in the offseason to be available in draft, but that assumes we have a draft that year. I would think the same would apply for Crochet in 2021 (you can pick him up but he has to be dropped to be available in the next draft) but the rules aren't explicit on it. Maybe update the wording of the rule to say a player that has never been available in a MILB draft has to be dropped?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 17:23:17 GMT
I don't think he has to be dropped since he pitched this season.
Maybe I read the rules wrong, but that was my understanding.
However, I currently have Bryan Mata rostered on my MLB roster, though he doesn't have any MLB appearances. The rules say he'd need to be dropped to be available for the draft. But since there's no draft I don't see the point of dropping him then immediately adding him when I'm allowed to, whenever that would be...
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Post by russmaine on Sept 29, 2020 17:28:02 GMT
If he has at least 1 AB or 1 IP, he can be kept on you MLB roster.
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Post by russmaine on Sept 29, 2020 17:29:38 GMT
Let me double check about this off season, and get back to you
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Post by chrisv on Sept 29, 2020 17:36:27 GMT
I think the section below of the Constitution clearly addresses this matter (bold-italics added for emphasis):
8.4 Any minor league player who has no MLB experience but has been added to the Yahoo player pool, and whose rights are not already owned by a team in the league, may be added to a team's major league roster directly. Such players:
a) Must be dropped at the end of the season, and made available in the draft.
- Once the player has appeared in a MLB game, these restrictions no longer apply and they are treated as any other player.
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Post by Bryce on Sept 29, 2020 17:52:26 GMT
This is a good point. I’m thinking we should put that rule on hold for this next 2021 season because we are not getting the chance to draft the 2020 draft guys before the 2021 season like we normally would. This doesn’t apply to Crochet since he was picked up and already debuted which is what the current rule is.
For the guys just drafted in 2020 that will debut in 2021, if they can just be picked up and kept that is going to devalue the next draft in Feb 2022.
An example would be someone could pick up Torkelson at the beginning of the year and just hold him hoping he debuts and if he does they get to keep him, but if he doesn’t they would have to drop him. But no one got the chance to draft him in Feb 2021 like we normally would have. That’s a problem.
If Torkelson (or any First Year Player) were to debut in 2021 you could pick him up for the year but then would have to drop him at season’s end so he can go into the draft pool. Then for 2022 we could go back to the way it was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 18:30:54 GMT
To bad
Im adding Torlakson and never dropping him ever not even once
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 29, 2020 19:06:24 GMT
The rule is there to protect prospects prior to the draft, sadly due to the unforeseen circumstances that were the 2019 Mlb season, we decided to not have the year count and therefore pushed the draft back to next offseason since standings didn’t really reflect much as some just punted the season. That all said we can either keep The rule in place, keeping people from players until the yahoo season starts, or let players be picked up and “Held” in the hopes that they get an ab or ip and can be protected from next years draft. I don’t want to put a “new rule” in play. So either we enforce the rule (again once yahoo opens anyone is free to stash - they just have to drop if they don’t get in a game), or we just put the rule on hold for this offseason since there is no draft.
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 29, 2020 19:07:24 GMT
I can create a poll later when I get to a pc and we can simply take a vote on it. Feel free to plead your case and sway a vote in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 19:14:30 GMT
Im proly in the minority here as I am proly the only guy with no draft picks.
With that said, I think that making 2020 draftees unavailable to stash with the hopes of receiving an AB or IP would put me at an extreme disadvantage come 2022 draft time.
Had I known there would be 2 years worth of FYP draftees available, I'd likely have held on to some draft picks. In fact I probably would've hoarded them.
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Post by Bryce on Sept 29, 2020 19:30:07 GMT
I agree there shouldn’t be a new rule, it should just be put on hold for a year like you said given the circumstances. Crochet would have happened regardless like Finnigan in 2014 so no problem there. Slim, you still have 17 months to acquire more draft picks so you will be fine, and the rule about not having a Feb 2021 draft was passed and then you still traded a pick away literally 2 days later so that isn’t getting any empathy from me. Sorry
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 21:13:05 GMT
I understand not having the draft. That's been established.
Now we're trying to restrict certain players from being added and stashed. This was not stated when deciding not to have a draft.
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 29, 2020 21:23:28 GMT
No one is prohibiting anything here. It will either be you can hold those players this offseason or you can freely acquire them next season once yahoo opens. At that point the rule would apply that if they don’t get an ab or IP they would need to be dropped and made available for the draft. No big deal either way honestly. It may effect one or two players max and they likely would be RP anyways. No need to get all bent out of shape over this. Again, I will post a poll to allow all to decide how we proceed. If there is too much crying we will just follow the rule and you can drop that one dude and reacquire him when yahoo opens. He isn’t even any good smh
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Post by TeddyK on Sept 29, 2020 21:24:55 GMT
It just doesn’t make much sense to enforce a rule that is in place to protect a draft when that draft isn’t even happening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 21:25:46 GMT
Sorry. It sounded to me like Bryce was proposing that we should be forced to drop 2020 draftees that debut in 2021 so that they're available in the 2022 draft.
My mistake.
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